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Picked this up yesterday, would scan and then upload to FTP however I didn't need all of the BS.

The account is Print Production, not an incumbent RBS account.

Pro 906EX
LCT
BK5000
SR5000
Print/Scan
Dual Cover Interposer
Del., Install, Training

36 month 823.08
60 month 579.32

no min cpc .0044 single click 11x17

Rebate of $8,200

let's use a rate factor of .0200, deal brings in $28,966 less 8,200 rebate = $20,766 and lets go with $350 for Del, install, training. Sold the machine sold for $20,466.

DMAP Level six pricing about $24,412. Need I say more.

Here's what I say to Ricoh, it's bad enough that the commercial market has tanked. But allowing this type of pricing undermines a dealers ability to capture any Print Production Business. Historically P4P are the worst payers when it comes time to pay for cpc bills, service and supplies. So you are buying click business and not getting paid in a timely manner. CPC of .0044 for ledger means .0022 for letter, printers will take advantage of this and print 50-60% 2 up. What are you guys thinking????

Here's what you are thinking, we will buy all p4p business and not make any money, as a matter of fact we will lose money because because the the captain is sleeping at the wheel. Hence when we place the machine, we now own the account and the only way we'll lose it is to poor service and or another manufacturer.

We are Ricoh and we don't make mistakes, we enjoy giving our money away, we enjoy not telling our stockholders how direct operates, we enjoy seeing dealers go out of business, we enjoy seeing our biggest dealers sell to the competition.

Well believe it or not Ricoh, dealers are your customers and to allow this BS to continue is a travesty to the dealer community. Like, I've said before, what do you expect from a pig but a grunt!
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Originally posted by Art Post:
printers will take advantage of this and print 50-60% 2 up.


Only 50-60%? I have a couple that print 95-99% 2 up.

Otherwise, I kinda have to agree with you. I've said before, doesn't matter to a Manufacturer if they sell the box at cost to you or to the end-user, but selling it this cheap can't be good for them either.
Okay Folks lets keep in mind that the marketplace is tough and the revenues have to come from where they be had. I hancdle the P4P marketplace and believe me $.0044 for 11x17 is competitive, maybe a little high. Don't know where that quote came from but as I've said before there ARE regional differences in costs to do business. Was this a franchise Print Shop? If so there are contracts to live up to. Its all about market share for the manufacturers while its all about Profit for the dealers - with this as a Cast-in-stone tenet - we all must sell value.

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