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Art, great stuff. Thanks
With out drums (parts) & fuser I have an MSRP of .057 cpp for consumables. Can anyone add the cpp for the drums and the fuser??
Just got the pricing and I am a little sticker shocked. Anybody know how this machine will stack up against the Konica and Sharp on price?
KM bizhub C35 - $3,499
Sharp MX-C311 - $7,095
Sharp MX-C401 - $7,995
Sharp MX-C402SC - $8,945
These machines target higher volume usage than the KM bizhub C35, but are in-line with what Sharp is trying to target with its color Frontier A4s.
But don't forget these will often be competing against A4s from Samsung, Lexmark, HP and the rest of the printer players.
Sharp MX-C311 - $7,095
Sharp MX-C401 - $7,995
Sharp MX-C402SC - $8,945
These machines target higher volume usage than the KM bizhub C35, but are in-line with what Sharp is trying to target with its color Frontier A4s.
But don't forget these will often be competing against A4s from Samsung, Lexmark, HP and the rest of the printer players.
What is the MSRP and simplified dealer pricing for those Ricoh A4's?
GIntel.....those are the MSRP Sharp prices for the base machines. They sell no where close to those listed prices. The only A4 that I have seen and are very hard to compete against is the Lexmark series. Don't see Samsung, HP or the other players.
There is no competitor on the market as of today that has the scan centrinc technology allowing hard plastic cards through the doc feed. Plus provide dual sided scanning in one pass on an A4 unit.
They don't make the C311 of C401 any longer this has been replaced with the C402SC.
The bizhub C35 is junk and expensive to operate. They have a ridiculous video that shows one of these units wheeled between a bunch of cubicles with everyone in awe...then you finally see the unit for a couple of seconds.
GIntel.....those are the MSRP Sharp prices for the base machines. They sell no where close to those listed prices. The only A4 that I have seen and are very hard to compete against is the Lexmark series. Don't see Samsung, HP or the other players.
There is no competitor on the market as of today that has the scan centrinc technology allowing hard plastic cards through the doc feed. Plus provide dual sided scanning in one pass on an A4 unit.
They don't make the C311 of C401 any longer this has been replaced with the C402SC.
The bizhub C35 is junk and expensive to operate. They have a ridiculous video that shows one of these units wheeled between a bunch of cubicles with everyone in awe...then you finally see the unit for a couple of seconds.
Agreed.
I believe the MX-C311 and MX-C401 are still active though.
The MX-C402SC did join the series, but when I asked Sharp they told me that the MX-C402SC is basically an advanced configuration of the MX-C401. The card scanning feature is cool though.
I believe the MX-C311 and MX-C401 are still active though.
The MX-C402SC did join the series, but when I asked Sharp they told me that the MX-C402SC is basically an advanced configuration of the MX-C401. The card scanning feature is cool though.
GIntel....There are C311 and C401's in field but you cannot get those from Sharp anymore.
The C402SC and a much advanced version of the C401. Sharp has doubled the size of the toner from 10K to 20K....largest in the industry. 40% faster scanning. They completely rebuilt the fuser section. Service needs no tools to work on the system. The doc-feeder has doubled in size the most robust in any A4 allowing for a C-feed and Straight feed mechanism. Can scan a stack of 50 business cards, both sides in one pass with color drop out technology allowing the data to be extracted. Has color scan squared technology allowing scanning of both sides in one pass...first to offer this in the A4. It's a hot commodity right now!
The C402SC and a much advanced version of the C401. Sharp has doubled the size of the toner from 10K to 20K....largest in the industry. 40% faster scanning. They completely rebuilt the fuser section. Service needs no tools to work on the system. The doc-feeder has doubled in size the most robust in any A4 allowing for a C-feed and Straight feed mechanism. Can scan a stack of 50 business cards, both sides in one pass with color drop out technology allowing the data to be extracted. Has color scan squared technology allowing scanning of both sides in one pass...first to offer this in the A4. It's a hot commodity right now!
Thanks for the update.
I think the toner was only doubled on from the MX-B401 to the MX-B402SC. I think the toner on the color models stayed unchanged (10k). I'd check that.
I think the toner was only doubled on from the MX-B401 to the MX-B402SC. I think the toner on the color models stayed unchanged (10k). I'd check that.
Yes, you are correct. There is no room to expand on the color series. What product line do you carry GIntel?
I'm an analyst. I work for the industry as a whole, but not a particular dealer or vendor. Think of me as Switzerland.
GINTEL's work is awesome and I appreciate his input and enjoy readinbg his threads! 
Just set my first one up in the showroom. I wish they had given this a legal glass and auto paper size detection for legal pages. 
ya. no mixed orginals is a real drag 
OK Rant Time.
Regardless of how good or bad this new Ricoh turns out to be check out the piss poor brochures Ricoh gives us to sell these things compared to the Sharp or Konica. I realize us dealers are the bastard stepchildren to Ricoh but come on!!!!!
http://lanier.com/products/bro...color_mfp/LD130C.pdf
http://files.sharpusa.com/Down...w_MXC311_401_bro.pdf
http://www.biz.konicaminolta.c...?co=index_footer_pdf
Regardless of how good or bad this new Ricoh turns out to be check out the piss poor brochures Ricoh gives us to sell these things compared to the Sharp or Konica. I realize us dealers are the bastard stepchildren to Ricoh but come on!!!!!
http://lanier.com/products/bro...color_mfp/LD130C.pdf
http://files.sharpusa.com/Down...w_MXC311_401_bro.pdf
http://www.biz.konicaminolta.c...?co=index_footer_pdf
Fisher....what is wrong with that Lanier brochure? From what I have seen in the past this a typical Ricoh style brochure? Is it too wordy and busy? Enlighten us.
Try this. Print out the three brochures and look at each of them on paper. Then ask yourself this "Which marketing company would you hire to make a brochure for you......the producer of the Lanier Brochure, Sharp Brochure, or Konica Brochure? Forget the equipment for a minute and just look at the brochure from a presentation standpoint.
the KM brochure is sexy!
We just got our first one on Monday & were supposed to get a peak at it yesterday, but DFW shut down due to an ice storm. Can the Ricoh fit on a desk/table top? We have a huge demand for affordable desktop color MFP's, but Ricoh and Lexmark have both let us down thus far.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by txeagle24:
Can the Ricoh fit on a desk/table top? QUOTE]
Not sure, I've installed a few of the sammies scx-6545N with one tray and it was ok for us taller folks, the 6545N is 23.9 in H and the mpc300 is 28 in H. tell em they gotta hire tall people??
Can the Ricoh fit on a desk/table top? QUOTE]
Not sure, I've installed a few of the sammies scx-6545N with one tray and it was ok for us taller folks, the 6545N is 23.9 in H and the mpc300 is 28 in H. tell em they gotta hire tall people??
The MP C300 is NOT designed to fit on a desktop. It is very "bulky" - i'll recommend the original table!
I thought that's how it looked in the pictures. Guess I'll just hope the XS792de from Lexmark is smaller when they finally release it to the BSD channel.
quote:Originally posted by Anders And:
The MP C300 is NOT designed to fit on a desktop. It is very "bulky" - i'll recommend the original table!
You're right. I just saw it on 3 trays, & immediately referred to it as "Tiny big". It's really short on 3 trays but is really big when you imagine it on one tray. If you could put it on a counter (would need a heavy counter), how cool would it be to have a desktop color MFP w/ stapling?
The curious thing about it is the fact that the control panel folds down to be flat against the machine. It would seem to me that this would only make sense if you were installing them on a counter to where that would be at close to eye level or if you were working the Dwarf as a Service Vertical.
Curious if anyone has actually sold one of these yet. Now that I've got them I think they are a going to sit a long long time. They are just too expensive, especially when you start putting options on them. Here is to hoping Ricoh repositions this product real soon!!! How about some free fax modules???
I have not sold any, I agree they are pricy, one saving grace is that come with PS. Personally, I think alot of Ricoh DSM's have already put some fear into dealers, the statements of "place these in the right situations", "don't transition your A3 products to these A4's" have worried some.
I'm a proponent of selling what my customers needs are, if they don't need 11x17 then why sell it! Everyone realizes that if you A3 (30-40ppm) sales covered $200,000 last year and you transition alll you placements to A4, then sales volume will be down along with margins.
I realize that if A4 becomes the norm, then I'm gonna have to find a way to sell twice as many!
I'm a proponent of selling what my customers needs are, if they don't need 11x17 then why sell it! Everyone realizes that if you A3 (30-40ppm) sales covered $200,000 last year and you transition alll you placements to A4, then sales volume will be down along with margins.
I realize that if A4 becomes the norm, then I'm gonna have to find a way to sell twice as many!
Hey Art....I have an idea to sell twice as many...buy one get one free.
good idea! hope Ricoh goes along with the plan!
I think fisher is correct. The are about $200 more than the 20ppm A3 machine and you only have 1 drawer. Even if you add 2nd drawer you don't get rotate sort so you may end up needing the R version. Nice to have postscript standard (finally) but we need to give this machine auto paper selection, remove the postscript, slow it down 5 or 10 ppm and cut the price about $1000 - then we can move them.
On a 2nd note what is everyone selling for a DESKTOP color MFP? We have sold some of the Ricoh 221 series and 231 series but we have been calling them the boomerang because they come back so fast. Also tried the samsung CLX6200 series but not happy with that either.
On a 2nd note what is everyone selling for a DESKTOP color MFP? We have sold some of the Ricoh 221 series and 231 series but we have been calling them the boomerang because they come back so fast. Also tried the samsung CLX6200 series but not happy with that either.
We sell the 221's and my actual thought is it's a great seed machine, I upgraded a few of these to 20ppm color just because of the cost per page for color on these, we figured out that most of these are in the .25 -.40 cents range after a year or two of usage.
quote:Originally posted by Deanw:
We have sold some of the Ricoh 221 series and 231 series but we have been calling them the boomerang because they come back so fast.
Reason for boomerang effect: 4 new toner...
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On a 2nd note what is everyone selling for a DESKTOP color MFP? We have sold some of the Ricoh 221 series and 231 series but we have been calling them the boomerang because they come back so fast. Also tried the samsung CLX6200 series but not happy with that either.
My customers hated the 221/222 series. I was excited about the Lexmark XS796de until I found out that it's $4,000, $.0349 for b/w and $.12 for color. Unless a customer doesn't have the space, I typically go w/ a Lexmark XS463de paired w/ a Lanier LP137cn color printer. Total cost of around $2,600 and a color CPP under $.0900 w/ a reasonable mono CPP. If they need color copying, they can install the Remote Copy app on the Lexmark and scan a color document directly to the Lanier printer.
If Ricoh could base a desktop color MFP on that printer engine, it would be killer.
I have been selling the Kyocera FS-C2126 for entry level color. I am reluctant to sell anything below that. The 2126 isn't the most user friendly macine on earth but it does have a very low CPC.
Really having a hard time selling the value of the Ricoh A4 color. They really shot themselves in the foot with this one. No APS, No Legal Size glass and priced way to high. I think our initial order of these units will be sitting in our pallet racks for a long long time.
Really having a hard time selling the value of the Ricoh A4 color. They really shot themselves in the foot with this one. No APS, No Legal Size glass and priced way to high. I think our initial order of these units will be sitting in our pallet racks for a long long time.
quote:Originally posted by fisher:
I have been selling the Kyocera FS-C2126 for entry level color. I am reluctant to sell anything below that. The 2126 isn't the most user friendly macine on earth but it does have a very low CPC.
Really having a hard time selling the value of the Ricoh A4 color. They really shot themselves in the foot with this one. No APS, No Legal Size glass and priced way to high. I think our initial order of these units will be sitting in our pallet racks for a long long time.
Fisher - the FS-C2126 is that a product you can sell with an supply inclusive maintenance agreement? If yes, what type of prices do you usually charge for color & mono on this product?
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