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I'm going to make it painful for the other rep just because the cost per page and the machine price is ridiculous.....

Here's the email I send to the client after he gave me the pricing:

Thank you, this helps!  Maybe I can return the favor.  The cost of .0387 and .0048 is very low so low that it’s below industry average for margins.

  1. Go to your maintenance & supply agreement
  2. Look for an escalation clause for something like “we may increase the cost each year”.

"May" means will. In most cases the percentage of increase is never on the maintenance/supply agreement. It’s a secret that many dealers play.  If you see the cost escalation clause and there in no percentage then calls the sales person and ask what is the cost escalation for each year of the lease?  If they come back with a low percentage then have them add it in the contract, if they won’t then the annual escalation could be as much as 10-15% per year.

If your service and maintenance is all on the lease. Please make sure there is no escalation verbiage of the entire monthly payment every year. Typically these can range from 10%-25% each year.

Again I appreciate the information and thought I would return the favor. If you need help always feel free to reach out to me.

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I have two questions here:

a. Are the rates you mention really so low it'd make the deal unprofitable for you? I'm based in Europe so don't know your cost differences, but here, although these rates will not be quoted for single unit sales, they have become quite typical for mid-range and larger deals in the last few years.

b. Even if the price increase is not clarified in the contract, would a dealership actually be able to increase pricing by however much they like without losing the customer? Here the max allowed price increase is in line with the price index, otherwise the customer can just cancel the contract without penalty. And even though this kind of price increase is allowed it is not at all common.

Just curious what the differences are on your side of the Atlantic.

@NickE  thanx for the reply.  I'm not a dealer owner but in sales and can only go so low on cost per page.  Thus not being a dealer owner I don't know who much margin those prices would return.  What I did figure out was the cost of the A3 color 50ppm kyocera to the client was a little more than $5K US.  My sales cost is much higher and I could never sell that low for a one-off.

In reference to the escalation agreement, yes there could be fear that you would lose the client with the escalation.  However the thought in the past is that there are always enough clients to go around in the past, thus there was no dear of losing a one-off from managements view.  Of course the sales person is concerned for all of the clients. The mentality of there is enough for everyone will not survive the post pandemic market place.

In NJ and from what I know there is no law that dictates our percentage of increase.  Thus it's more like the wild wild west and dealerships can low-ball the first year and drop higher escalations with subsequent years.

On an A3 Kyocera I would bet that the dealer's break even is $0.02 per page blended across all pages could be slightly lower as I'm looking at a different manufacturer.  Basically if the dealer is getting a high percentage of color clicks at $0.0387 they will still make money.  Not making good money but not losing.   That's the easiest way to explain it without diving into the math or having more details about the customer's usage.  You can bet they are not defaulting computers to print in B/W.

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