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Re: Samsung Copier Million Page Test "A Tree Massacre"

Art Post ·
Art, I think Samsung needed to do this test to shut the mouths of the critics. Now anyone who wonders or asks if the Samsungs are reliable will get a link to this test. My Service guys tell me that the Samsungs have been working well! And the new MX series with the Android (OS) Tablet has been very cool. That wish list item that you asked Ricoh for has already been delivered by Samsung! I have just worked with a 3rd party tech company to get the first non-Samsung Android App ported to the...
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Re: Samsung Copier Million Page Test "A Tree Massacre"

Art Post ·
Seems my Blog about the million page test was not that well received with Samsung. They complained to ENX Magazine who then pulled the blog off their site. Whatever happened to FREE Press? They were not happy that I pointed out that they used "x" amount of tree's for a 1980's type test! Since Samsung spends money with ENX, ENX pulled the blogs and is not posting any of my latest stuff. You know what, as far as I'm concerned we here this finance stuff about Sharp, Toshiba and none of the...
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Re: Samsung Copier Million Page Test "A Tree Massacre"

Art Post ·
On average for every tree taken down in US for paper it is replaced by three new ones This is one of the reasons there are more trees in US than in past Dan Schmidt (sent from mobile device) > On Nov 23, 2015, at 6:19 PM, Print4Pay Hotel < alerts@hoop.la > wrote: >
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Re: 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate Service Program Will Change the Copier Industry

Art Post ·
Art, a terrific take on the changing forces in the business model of the industry. Moneyball has arrived in the imaging business.
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Re: 6 Reasons Why Flat Rate Service Program Will Change the Copier Industry

Art Post ·
Thank you Tom, writing it brought back some awesome memories
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Art, Is Ricoh just going to retire @Remote, or will they be replacing it with something, possibly a third party vendor like Printfleet? Thanks, Vince
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
What was stated to me was that their facilities manager product would be able to collect the tiered color billing and then report on it. All I heard was that @remote was going away. I was so surprised by the aspect of these new devices having the tiered that I did not even bother to ask about a replacement for @remote
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I'm not sure about your source, but it's already in the Ricoh units, we found this about 4 months ago in the mpc305, the issue is getting it out of the system automatically for billing purposes. We use purpose software which can automatically cope with tiered billing.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Calums: Thanx for this, I see you're in the UK and the info I related to was that the tiered info came from a document there. My source was from Print Audit, but I wanted to make sure this was the case. We were talking about the latest upgrades to PA, and one of them was that their facility manager software is capable of taking those tiered color levels and putting them in a bucket so they could be billed. When you mention purpose software, what are you referring to? Thanx for the...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I wonder if direct will not be offering this becuase their billing system can not support tiered pricing?
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Purpose software is supplied by common sense that supply software to the copier industry for managing and billing our industry.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Purpose software is supplied by common sense that supply software to the copier industry for managing and billing our industry.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
hi calums could you give more info on the tier settings for mpc305 i have looked in the manuale but cant see any info on it many thanks
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Any update on this (in the US)?
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I've heard not that much except for something I heard is that since @ remote is going away Ricoh themselves does not have a program to extrapolate the billing. Again just something I hear, however Print Audits facility manager will do this as I understand.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
So we have an aficio 3003 in the office at Print Audit and we are tracking 3 levels of metering from it. Does anyone have ant technical info on the 3003?
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Apparently, Ricoh Solutions guys aren't aware of this. I asked one of them, and he said there is an SP mode that has been around for generations that runs a report on clicks @ 3 different levels of coverage but that it's not for billing purposes.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
the 3 tier is mentined on a couple of European brochures from Ricoh. If I can find a link I will share it
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Hey Guys, Few more questions. Anyone have any details on if the color CPC tiers are dealer-editable or pre-set and what the setting are? Similarly, are the CPCs set or dealer-editable? How is the coverage calculated, through device firmware or print audit or both? What devices is this available for?
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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Originally Posted by Paul Giorgi: So we have an aficio 3003 in the office at Print Audit and we are tracking 3 levels of metering from it. Does anyone have ant technical info on the 3003? Paul: Are you looking for the service manual?? Art
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
O.K. I have found some information for you . Ricoh has introduced the 3 billing level since the MPC 2051 meaning all models after this introduction has these features ( MPC3001 .......) . Print Audit Facilities Manager can now detect and pick up these assignable threshold counters. Ricoh Dealer that are Premier Members or are using Facilities Manager can now compete with Xeorx and Kyocera promoting this type of billing. I have a brief set up how to for configuring the thresholds on Ricoh...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Paul: Do you have any marketing literature on this? This could be big for Ricoh Dealers and a large area of opportunity for Print Audit to sign up dealers that are using Print Fleet, FM Audit or other DCAs.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Paul, Has anyone told you lately how great it is to have you with us on this site As a Print Audit Premier Dealer, you can bet that we will be in contact VERY SOON.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Be aware on this, we have been using this for over a year and the pit falls are. The percentage coverage is based on overall coverage not per toner, the biggest thing is the cost you offer it at, if 30% is in 0-5, 30% in the 6-10 and the 60% is above. What we have found is that the 60% and above is not just 11% coverage but 20-30%, so your copy cost doesnt cover this cost and you could lose money on the high end copy cost. The two lower tiers make you money but your margins are lower as 60%...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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I wanted to resurrect this old thread to see if there are any Ricoh Dealers out there making use of the tiered level coverage area data that the Ricoh color devices now provide. We know that Xerox and Kyocera have had this capability longer than Ricoh but I'm not seeing it being utilized by anyone. Anyone running across it in their neck of the woods? If you are a Ricoh Dealer utilizing this, I would like to find out more about the when, where's and hows. I would also like to know what the...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
Old Glory: We're not doing anything with it, seems we are ultra conservative when it comes to cpc
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I think it's something dealers are secretly scared of marketing & offering. They are afraid that it will result in lost revenue in margins, & they may be right. There are a lot of trends (no-minimum contracts, rules-based printing to reduce color volume, educated buyers, among others) in the industry right now that are putting the easy margins at risk. This is one of those topics that the few who figure out how to correctly position it as a differentiator will use to take their...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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txeagle "Amen"
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
With Xerox, was it just on the solid ink stick products that they offered 3 Tier pricing or does this apply to their toner based MFPs as well? Thanks,
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
All great questions. I have not see any quotes from Ricoh direct or dealers offering tiered color rates. Does not mean it's not out there, maybe just not in my next of the woods. We do not offer it. "It is probably fair to assume that 0.5% colour will be the same cpc as black and 0.5% - 7.5% plus will all be charged the same rate." Black is a color right? Curious to see how that works also. If all color (including black) is lumped into one barrel, and the cost for .5 is .02 then that would...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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Black cpc is a seperate meter for this RFP. Black is not colour in this RFP. Thanks,
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
It's funny, I came here with the purpose of seeing how to overcome this when competing with vendors/manufacturers who offer this. We don't want to go down this road and I'd be interested in some ways of overcoming this objection. When meeting with a customer today I told them that tiered billing hasn't taken off and in my opinion it really wasn't worth it. There response was, "why" to which I stated that we felt it was majoring in the minors and it was better to give the best possible color...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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Not all copier vendors can offer 3 Tier pricing. Besides the built in technology, a significant investment must be made in the back end accounting system to handle these extra line items on the invoice. Furthermore, via service code it is possible to vary what that the toner coverage thresholds are making the entire process rather arbitrary and very hard to certify. I would suggest that you be a little cautious if the successful vendor asks you to install proprietary software on your network...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I would tell the client if all you are going to do is print a small color logo on letterhead. Then tiered billing is the way to go. Anything else would mean that you are relying on the software to interpret the coverage and which tier that coverage falls into. Thus, with tiered color you could never have a predictable expense. We can give you that with our "all in" color billing model. You pay one price for color not matter what the coverage is.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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Why limit yourself to the business model outlined by the manufacturers? I don't know enough about the variables available to the dealer when setting this up but tell me if this could be done... What's the selling point of tiered billing? It is, "why should you pay $0.05-$0.08 for a page that has no color on it but a blue email address?" That's the rub. Why not set tier one at the lowest threshhold possible and bill it at the black rate. All others at the full color rate. Some customers might...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

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It is important to note to the customer that the lowest Tier color pricing is really only applicable for when people print a document and are not aware that there might be a small amount of color in it. This is what I call unintended color printing. Most people plan to print in color when they need it (assuming the print driver is set to black by default) and must proactively choose color. This is what I call intended color printing. Unintended color printing will never come close to...
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
The Complexity of CPP and 3 tier go our the window when you start offering your services per user per month.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
In the end, I got the deal by a wide margin pitching a single tier vs 3 tier pricing. I can only guess that the Kyocera dealer was over confident in the margins he thought that he could get. I had to give away the hardware on a publicly posted tender with a low, low cpc. Definitely, the customer was the big winner, not me.
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I know this topic is still out there, we just lost a deal to Kyocera and the 3 tier pricing model, we have FMAudit as our MPS monitoring software, any new info on offering this with Ricoh product? Thanks
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I've heard it can be done with our Ricoh devices. Can anyone else help with this?
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Re: Ricoh Tier (ricotier) Color Page Cost?

Art Post ·
I have to respond to a municipal gov't RFP next week for 10 copiers and for the first time I am seeing a request to propose 3 Tier colour CPC pricing. Less than 0.5% colour, 0.5 - 7.5% and 7.5% plus. Ricoh Direct, Xerox Direct and a local Kyocera dealer are likely to respond. It is probably fair to assume that 0.5% colour will be the same cpc as black and 0.5% - 7.5% plus will all be charged the same rate. I calculate that those vendors who can offer 3 Tier cpc will only have to invoice...
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Re: We Print 50 Trillion Pages a Year, and Xerox Is Betting That Continues

Art Post ·
I was expecting more from this head line! Here is the url http://fortune.com/2017/08/17/...transformation-plan/
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Re: We Print 50 Trillion Pages a Year, and Xerox Is Betting That Continues

Art Post ·
here is the video, I missed it http://fortune.com/video/2017/...bson-on-reinventing/
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Re: WSCA contracts

Art Post ·
Hey Art, Been selling WSCA for years and frankly only do it because I have to. it is a lot of work for extremely little pay. Even the service is not that great for the dealer end. So when I can I find a way around it.
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Re: WSCA contracts

Art Post ·
Its a nightmare for dealers. Ricoh can't get their act together on the paperwork. Its a loser. Also you don't get rewards points on machines when you use this program. Avoid it unless its the only way possible.
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Re: Color Cost Per Page Poll for Segment 3 (produce 31 to 40 pages)

Art Post ·
I am out of the office on annual leave until the 26th Jan. In my absence please contact 01983 406522. Thank you
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Re: Still looking for Software Solution! HELP!

Art Post ·
Art, What is the native application the print stream is coming from? There are multiple solutions out there that can do this but some of it depends on the native application. Maybe more information could help. Also, what type of demo are they looking for? A log file output or just an automated system where they type or hit print and the command is sent automatically outputting duplex? There isn't much going on there just forcing duplex so I am curious what they are hoping to see. All the best
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Re: Still looking for Software Solution! HELP!

Art Post ·
ty, I have to check my notes, will post the info for you tomorrow. Art
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Art Post ·
Art, one of the problems is dealers servicing a machine for $30.00 a month. however, the reality is the industry has allowed the sales engine to destroy the service model. selling full service on A3 for .006 or less in volumes of 5k a month. Dealers were chasing sales revenue as they sacrificed service profits. As volumes continue declining so will margins. Dealers will begin realizing that all the A3 service they gave away is too costly to manage and the shift will begin. The A4...
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Art Post ·
Hi Ray I agree with the silliness of the low cost per page for A3. However most dealers have escalators that can raise the price as much as 10-15% per year whether it's A4 or A3. AS far as the $30 per month, almost no one will send out and invoice for $30 It's either billed quarterly or annually. One thing the A4 manufacturers won't due is too sacrifice the consumables. I also believe that dealers will always find a way to make their profit, whether it's Daas, flat rate, or seat based. I...
 
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