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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Wallingford ·
What came next with some dealers in the Oz market, was a guarantee that the client's copy costs would not rise annually, above a maximum of 10% which most clients would agree to. Or that it would only rise by the CPI, which these days is a joke of a deal, as it is only around 2%. But some now guarantee to hold the pricing for the term of the rental agreement, which at 5 years is just down right stupid.This has now become a lot more prevalent, as weak salesmen sell (if you can call it...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Art Post ·
Wallingford Thanx for this! From your thread I can tell we all have most of the same issues. Anyone else care to help with their first experience with CPC?
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

txeagle24 ·
I've only been around 9 years, but when I first started, we were selling the old Ricoh AP3800CMF (A3 color printer w/ a scanner kit attached to make it an MFP) since the 1224c/1232c was such a bust. In our Service Agreements, black toner was included in the CPP, but color toner was billable. When trying to get those customers to upgrade to the 2238c, I would create a cost per page analysis (since toner was included in our CPP for the 2238c) and had several furious customers who thought we...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

John Saramak ·
I remember it well and at ComDoc, in the early 80's we sometimes put the offer out there without it being a formal price plan. I think the customer realized that a lot of the toner they purchased and stocked was useless at end of the machines life. It was like a primer with a customer who had that and TCO on their mind, it was a way to close them. Equally, I remember taking it one step further in the early 90's with copy management - the first all inclusive (hardware, service, supplies)...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Old Glory ·
I remember a plan that didn't really take hold but it was a plan like the one John talked about and all accessories were proposed in the form of copies...you want a finisher, just commit to 10,000 additional copies per month. The CPC rate had an equipment portion attached to it so more clicks funded more equipment. If the CPC was normal plus .003, 10,000 clicks added $30/month which would fund $1,500 additional. Some customers that weren't willing to pay $1,500 would agree to 10,000 more...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Art Post ·
Wow! These are some awesome stories, I'm sure there are many more out there from some of our veterans, would love to read more.
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Re: Canon new A4 b/w models

Jason H ·
I’m pretty sure this is the first I’ve heard of these and I’m a canon dealer 🙄
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Re: Color Cost Per Page for 2 Cents, Are You Crazy?

JC ·
Sorry, Art, this will not happen. If you spread the cost by charging more for black and white, some would buy it and only run color. It's already expensive to run black only on a color device, costing 2 to 3 times or more than on a monochrome Production machine. And even at a penny for service and supplies, monochrome margins are low on color production units.
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Re: Color Cost Per Page for 2 Cents, Are You Crazy?

Art Post ·
JC: Thanx for the comment! I should have communicated better. This would not be a pricing model for Production systems. You're right, if it was all they would run is color, however, I'm now seeing cost per page for color under 4 cents per page.
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Re: Color Cost Per Page for 2 Cents, Are You Crazy?

TML ·
I think that while in theory this sounds good, it's not gonna fly. Already we're competing against dealers who have color clicks down to $.039 and black clicks down to $.005-$.006 on moderate speed office color units (35 & 45 ppm units). And these aren't those staggered click prices that Kyocera or Xerox dealers are offering for different forms of color (a splash, a bit, or full color). Even if they double click them, you're then back to industry standard for clicks, but most aren't...
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Top 100 Summit Executive Council Creates SBB Business Model for Managed Print

Art Post ·
Top 100 Summit Executive Council Creates SBB Business Model for Managed Print February 16, 2016 Calgary, AB - February 16, 2016 - Print Audit®, along with 29 dealer and distribution partners, has completed a 12 week Executive Council for the development of a viable Seat Based Billing (SBB) model for Managed Print. SBB for MPS has been designed as an alternative to the highly commoditized CPP billing method currently employed by the industry. SBB offers stronger protection of dealer profits...
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Color Cost Per Page for 2 Cents, Are You Crazy?

Art Post ·
Many years ago while I was on my way to sales call, I would travel south on Broad street in Red Bank, New Jersey.  Located on the northbound side was a copy center, and every day when I passed that shop, I eyed a purple neon sign that touted...
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Buy from Direct-Sales Model or Buy from a Dealer?

Art Post ·
Recently this question was voted on by the NJ Motor Vehicle Commission of New Jersey.     The commission voted 6-0 to approve a regulation that  effectively prohibits companies from using a direct-sales model.  This regulation will...
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Continuum Addresses How Office Equipment Companies Accelerate Profitable Growth in Managed IT and Cloud Services at ITEX 2014

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TEX 2014 BOSTON--( BUSINESS WIRE )-- Michael George , CEO of Continuum , the industry's only channel-exclusive provider of fully integrated managed services solutions, is presenting, “ How to Accelerate Profitable Growth in Managed IT and Cloud Services with a Proven Business Model, ” at ITEX 2014, Tuesday, March 11 – Thursday, March 13, 2014 in Las Vegas. He joins speakers, Chris Ryne , Principal and Mitch Morgan , Co-Principal, both of Growth Achievement Partners (GAP) as they address the...
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Bangalore, Oct 3 — Infosys Ltd Thursday signed a multi-year contract with Japanese auto major Toyota Motor to manage its IT services in Europe.

Art Post ·
Bangalore, Oct 3 — Infosys Ltd Thursday signed a multi-year contract with Japanese auto major Toyota Motor to manage its IT services in Europe. "The four-year deal envisages deployment of a managed service model, covering applications across Toyota's operational areas in Europe, including automotive processes to enable its IT employees focus on business and project development," the global software major said in a statement here. The IT bellwether has been a key partner of Toyota for its...
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Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Art Post ·
Cost Per Image, Cost Per Page, Cost Per Copy, Cost Per Print, whatever you call it, it all started with the copier industry. The question above was posed by Greg Walters with a recent thread that was posted on LinkedIn.  I stated the reply...
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This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago The First Week of October 2006

Art Post ·
While I was scrolling down on this weeks threads from ten years ago, I saw the threads for the Aficio MPC2500, MP C3000, MPC3500, and MP C4500. Hard to believe that these systems are ten years old now Another old but goodie was the introduction of the variable print head for the Seri Model 25. The variable print head was actually an HP print head/cartridge that was located in the Seri Model 25. Never sold the VPPH model, however I did sell a few of the Seri Model 25, in fact I just sold a...
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The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

Art Post ·
Guess what's coming to your business neighborhood? Did ya give up yet? Yes, the cost per click aka the cost page could become the billing model of the past. Seat Based Billing with Print Audit About a year ago Print Audit released a Seat Based Billing model for MPS engagements, The gist of the billing model is to bill a monthly flat fee per employee in order for the user to have printing rights. The amount billed per employee covers support, parts, software and consumable items for those...
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57 Days of Selling "Day 34"

Art Post ·
I just finished working a few minutes ago. After dinner I received an email from one of my opps telling me the model number of the Canon device I'm competing against. Thus, I needed to address this tonight, because I want to spend as much time as possible prospecting tomorrow. I'm thinking most people that I contact tomorrow will be in good spirits since Thanksgiving is right around the corner. I'm going to make sure that I convey this for my opening statement to the gate keeper, "Are you...
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Canon new A4 b/w models

Art Post ·
Canon new A4 b/w models - imageRUNNER 1643if series offers: o top print speed of 45ppm o 5” color touchscreen LCD o Fax board o standard paper supply of 650 sheets, can upgrade to 2300 sheets o document feeder holds up to 50 originals o built-in print controller 1GB RAM - Print only version of imageRUNNER 1643P
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Canon U.S.A. Releases New Desktop Laser Printers to Aid Fleet-Level Productivity

Art Post ·
MELVILLE, N.Y. , Oct. 1, 2019 -- On a quest to increase office efficiency, Canon U.S.A. , Inc., a leader in digital imaging solutions, announces the availability of new imageCLASS and imageRUNNER multifunction printers (MFPs) and single function printers (SFPs). These new models, when implemented into compatible fleet environments, can provide customers the ability to better optimize their print-related activity in scenarios where device footprint, user experience, security features and...
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Major Update to Print4Pay Hotel Web Site

Art Post ·
In the next 4-6 weeks we'll be rolling out our new style and a new user interface that's called Card Model. The changes will impact most lists and landing page on the platform- including the "home" page and each content module's start page- and will make it much easier to browse and consume content overall. In this mode, content lists are displayed as cards on a grid, filling the entire width of the content pane, like so: Each content type (forum topics, blog posts, clips, surveys, etc.)...
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Tired of Figuring Out the Different Configurations When Pricing a CopierDeal?

copier-seo-guy ·
One of the more frustrating things, especially for a new rep is knowing the differences between all the acronyms and what is included and what is not. For example, does this small desktop include the fax card or not? Or does this desktop model have 1 tray or 2 trays? Knowing the difference between a DN, DNI, PT, PTXF, PTXFI, or all the different manufacturer acronyms can be incredibly confusing. In an effort to make this a lot easier for reps, we made our tool so there is a "master" model...
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Canon Australia sweeps BLI Pick awards across wide format category

Art Post ·
Canon Australia sweeps BLI Pick awards across wide format category Canon Australia Canon Australia has made a clean sweep of the honours at the coveted BLI Pick awards in the wide format printing category. Canon Australia’s latest BLI wins include the 2017 Wide Format Line of the Year Award; Outstanding Professional Photo and Fine Art Wide-Format Printer Series, Winter 2017 for Canon imagePROGRAF PRO-2000/PRO-4000 Series; and the Outstanding Poster and Indoor Signage Wide-Format Printer...
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Re: Major Update to Print4Pay Hotel Web Site

copyme ·
Great new look Art!
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Re: Major Update to Print4Pay Hotel Web Site

Art Post ·
Thanx, can't wait to roll it out!
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Re: The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

Martin Hofman ·
Hi Art, Here’s my prediction for the future: A3 MFP’s will be bought on the internet without any interference from sales-reps, print-specialists, installation-technicians, etc. etc. I think the Copier Industry isn’t any different from Audio/Video, Household-appliances, Insurances, Phones, Vacations, Cars, and all other business of which we thought we would always need a technical- or sales specialist? They will be delivered (and installed!) by DHL, FEDEX, UPS, and if broken, fixed by...
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Re: The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

Czech ·
Don't forget that Epson just released their new A3 inkjet MFP. Very interested to see how that pans out as well! I can't tell you how many times I've lost a deal because a dealer "disguises" their a base amount of copies inside the lease payment. Customers are willing to pay more to not have to worry about monthly print usage and have a predictable monthly payment. This seems crazy at first, but then I thought about it and it's everywhere... We pay a flat rate cell phone bill instead of "per...
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Re: The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

Art Post ·
Martin I hope I'm retired by the time your prediction comes true!
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Re: The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

BCarroll ·
Hi Art The Pagewide service model is the one we use for our Canon ImagePROGRAF plotters. Based upon customer's needs, we quote an annual contract for service. This contract, like the original 1- year warranty from Canon, excludes user- replaceable items (ink, paper, printhead(s), and maintanence cartridge). If the system includes a scanner, we account for that in the quoted price. So essentially, we will repair / replace any item not user-replaceable. Canon offers the same "service" contract...
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Re: The Death of the Cost Per Page Billing Model

Art Post ·
Thanx for this. Thus the maintenance agreement for the ImagePrograf and provides a flat fee with unlimited prints, right? The user would then also pay for any consumables, do I have this right?
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Re: Ricohs Shrinking MFP Offerings

DB0704 ·
Total agreement on this topic. Speed licensing is a great idea. For me personally, the model/speed and the price the manufacturers charge for them is kinda ludicrous. It’s the biggest rip off in our business. Everything is the same internally and externally from top to bottom but it’s $1500+ more for 45ppm compared to 35ppm for example. End of rant.
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Re: Ricohs Shrinking MFP Offerings

Art Post ·
Ty for the comment, and that's a legit rant you have there. I always take the MSRP and divide by the speed to get the cost per speed. It never works out in our favor
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Ricohs Shrinking MFP Offerings

Art Post ·
Copier Manufacturers Shrinking MFP Offerings Wow, first time in months that I'll blog about something other than my days of selling copiers during COVID19. By now what I'm about to state shouldn't be considered breaking news for the copier industry. It was a few weeks ago when I received an email from a Print4Pay Hotel member that Ricoh was making some major changes to their MFP offerings. For many years it's been my belief that all manufacturers have too many devices offered to end users.
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Re: Ricohs Shrinking MFP Offerings

msaeger ·
I agree there is no need for so many models. I would say on the license thing though why bother with license just only sell the color machines and just don't include any color pages in the contract. Then if they want to print color they can and just charge for the prints.
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Re: Ricohs Shrinking MFP Offerings

Art Post ·
Ty for the comment. I agree just sell color machines, however for those manufacturers that still offer monochrome the color devices would be most costly for the hardware.
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Sharp Enhances Multifunction Printer Lineup with Two New High-Volume Color Models

Art Post ·
Sharp Enhances Multifunction Printer Lineup with Two New High-Volume Color Models Offer greater speed, performance and cloud integration, as well as leading-edge security and available touchless operation Photos (1) MONTVALE, N.J. , Dec. 8, 2020 / PRNewswire / -- Sharp Imaging and Information Company of America (SIICA), a division of Sharp Electronics Corporation (SEC), today introduced two high-speed color document systems designed for high-volume environments. The new MX-7081 and MX-8081...
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FUJIFILM ANNOUNCES NEW J PRESS 750S HIGH SPEED MODEL

Art Post ·
FUJIFILM ANNOUNCES NEW J PRESS 750S HIGH SPEED MODEL Hanover Park, Ill. - April 21, 2021 - FUJIFILM North America Corporation is pleased to announce the launch of its J Press 750S High Speed Model, featuring the industry’s fastest* sheet-fed digital inkjet press with output speeds of 5,400 B2 sheets per hour (sph). The launch celebration was shared via a concept video, and shown as part of Fujifilm’s Graphics Systems Division’s presence at virtual.drupa (Apr. 20-23), the premier annual...
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BLI gives out Summer 2021 Pick awards

Art Post ·
BLI gives out Summer 2021 Pick awards Canon imageRUNNER ADVANCE DX C5840i, C5860i, C5870i models - Canon MAXIFY GX6020, GX7020 models - Kyocera TASKalfa 2554ci, 3554ci models - Epson EcoTank Pro ET-1500 - HP Color LaserJet Enterprise MFP M480f, M578, M455n, M555, E45028dn, E47528f, M430f color models - HP LaserJet Enterprise M406dn, E40040dn, E42540f models
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This Week in the Copier Industry 10 Years Ago

Art Post ·
This Week in the Copier Industry 10 Years Ago First Week of February 2012 My first post on this site (does not include the start of this site with blogspot) was back on January of 2003. Eleven months is all the time that's left in order to have 20 years of collaboration content for our industry. I'm proud we were able and will continue to offer the ability of people in our industry to collaborate in a secure site away from prying eyes. Enjoy these copier threads from 10 years ago this week!
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This Week in the Copier Industry Five Years Ago

Art Post ·
This Week in the Copier Industry Five Years Ago Third Week of March in 2017 There was quite a bit of chatter this week about leasing at the tactic that dealers will use. Keep in mind it's not the leasing companies that drive the Evergreen clause, nor the small window of time for notification, and the annual escalator increase for the hardware and the service. These are all dealer demands with their private able leases. Which brings me to "if a dealer was so confident with their support and...
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Kyocera national dealer meeting notes

Art Post ·
Kyocera national dealer meeting notes Held at JW Marriott resort in San Antonio, Texas Included product fair demonstrating print hardware and solutions Around 100 Kyocera employees & 850 attendees representing 225 dealers were present CEO Oscar Sanchez announced an 8 point strategy: Be easiest company to do business with Focus on efficiency and being data centric Provide the most complete product portfolio Currently focusing on A3 models due to supply chain issues New chip being...
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Toshiba Configurator

Art Post ·
Is there a web site for Toshiba models to configure MFP models?
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Re: Toshiba Configurator

AC68 ·
In Australia direct staff quote/provision via the intranet but it's not available to external parties.
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Re: Toshiba Configurator

Art Post ·
Thanx for the help
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Ricoh to launch new A3 color laser MFPs

Art Post ·
Ricoh to launch new A3 color laser MFPs Will replace the IM-C2000, 2500, 3000, 3500, 4500 and 6000 models New models are IM-C2010, 2510, 3010, 3510, 4510 and 6010 models Top speeds are first two digits of model number, ranging from 20ppm to 60ppm 4 tandem OPC drum design 8GB RAM 256GB SSD instead of HDD Document feeder will have faster scan speed, up to 150opm or 300ipm May be priced 12% more than previous models
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Re: Ricoh to launch new A3 color laser MFPs

Anders And ·
We have just received the first of these models, they seem to be a black version of the IM Cxx00, with a few modifications
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