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Re: Managing Print Costs for Wide Format Ink Plotters

Art Post ·
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Wallingford ·
What came next with some dealers in the Oz market, was a guarantee that the client's copy costs would not rise annually, above a maximum of 10% which most clients would agree to. Or that it would only rise by the CPI, which these days is a joke of a deal, as it is only around 2%. But some now guarantee to hold the pricing for the term of the rental agreement, which at 5 years is just down right stupid.This has now become a lot more prevalent, as weak salesmen sell (if you can call it...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Art Post ·
Wallingford Thanx for this! From your thread I can tell we all have most of the same issues. Anyone else care to help with their first experience with CPC?
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

txeagle24 ·
I've only been around 9 years, but when I first started, we were selling the old Ricoh AP3800CMF (A3 color printer w/ a scanner kit attached to make it an MFP) since the 1224c/1232c was such a bust. In our Service Agreements, black toner was included in the CPP, but color toner was billable. When trying to get those customers to upgrade to the 2238c, I would create a cost per page analysis (since toner was included in our CPP for the 2238c) and had several furious customers who thought we...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

John Saramak ·
I remember it well and at ComDoc, in the early 80's we sometimes put the offer out there without it being a formal price plan. I think the customer realized that a lot of the toner they purchased and stocked was useless at end of the machines life. It was like a primer with a customer who had that and TCO on their mind, it was a way to close them. Equally, I remember taking it one step further in the early 90's with copy management - the first all inclusive (hardware, service, supplies)...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Old Glory ·
I remember a plan that didn't really take hold but it was a plan like the one John talked about and all accessories were proposed in the form of copies...you want a finisher, just commit to 10,000 additional copies per month. The CPC rate had an equipment portion attached to it so more clicks funded more equipment. If the CPC was normal plus .003, 10,000 clicks added $30/month which would fund $1,500 additional. Some customers that weren't willing to pay $1,500 would agree to 10,000 more...
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Re: Does anyone have a clue as to how the CPC billing model started in the first place?

Art Post ·
Wow! These are some awesome stories, I'm sure there are many more out there from some of our veterans, would love to read more.
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Re: HP & Sharp "What is Canon Thinking"

Old Glory ·
Sharp is much more desperate than Canon. Whatever the deal, I'm sure it was beyond anything a financially secure company like Canon would consider.
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Re: HP & Sharp "What is Canon Thinking"

Wallingford ·
I don't think that anyone who bought an Edgeline, or further back the HP rebadged Konica MFD's, will be keen to give HP another go.
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

muleyman ·
First is this your actual reply to the account looking at thoseToshiba products listed (455 & 305)? If yes and they have a great history with the Toshiba product, telling them there a "bottom dweller" would make anyone think that you're only wanting to sell them what YOU'RE offering. The models they requested are older models of Toshiba and who knows if they've worked well for them or not. Also if you research the Okidata product, most of their MFP's are based on the Toshiba platform now...
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

Art Post ·
Actually, I did not mention that I am offering any equipment to them. I'm not even sure where they are located, I'm not looking to sell them, All of the recent MFP's that I've seen at the shows have pretty much the same GUI> I do remember something about a more robust partnering with Toshiba/
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

TimB ·
FYI: Toshiba, overall, is in the top ten for R&D Spend-to-Sales ratios. "Bottom dweller" really is not a fair use of words. With any device manufacturer, product is only as good as its dealer support. Get references if need be. RE: maintenance; The asker is talking B&W devices not color. Regardless, get the maintenance. Fewer spikes in copy quality or hardware issues because you'll make that phone call to fix rather than putting up with poor copy quality, etc. for fear of how much it...
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

Art Post ·
TimB: Thanx for the comment! I believe you with the top ten in R & D for Spend to Sales ratios, but I don't R & D being conducted for copiers not like Canon, Xerox, KonicaMInolta & Xerox. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck then it must be a duck. Toshiba's market share over the last ten years in the US has always been at or near the bottom of the pack, thus they are cellar dwellers, bottom feeders, in the US market. You are correct with the MA, they were not asking for...
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

EByers ·
Art, I like your general guidance to the initial poster, and I won't grade your writing since this isn't an English class. In regard to this brief post conversation, I think honesty is the best policy with customers and with ourselves. Yes Tim, they probably are in the top ten. However, the customer was asking which is the best. By rankings in the market place, the top seven do not include Toshiba. They fall within the bottom 7% of market share for shipments and the bottom 8.6% for market...
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Re: Best Black & White MFP for 10k/month yeild. Suggestions?

Art Post ·
thanx for nor grading my English!!! most threads are done at night and I'll admit, I'm much better at selling than writing.
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Re: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Fourth Week of April 2004)

Julia H. ·
I will be out of the office starting 04/23/2014 and will not return until 05/13/2014. I will have limited email access, if this issue is urgent and requires an immediate assistance, please contact Eileen at eileen.cleary@tabs.toshiba.com. Thank you. This message (and any attached files) is secret, confidential and proprietary and is intended solely for specific addressee(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by reply email and...
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Re: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Second Week of May 2004

MaryF ·
This info is 10 yrs old..looks like dates in meta data spewed old stuff
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Re: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Second Week of May 2004

Art Post ·
Hi Mary: The title of the Blog is: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Second Week of May 2004 Art
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Re: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry 10 Years Ago Second Week of June 2004

Alan ·
I am out of the office until 20/06/2014. Note: This is an automated response to your message "Post By Art Post: This Week in the Copier/Office Equipment Industry ..." sent on 16/06/2014 1:13:20 p.m.. This is the only notification you will receive while this person is away. Alan Creighton Service Manager (Embedded image moved to file: pic17864.gif) Ricoh New Zealand Limited | cnr Anglesea & London Streets | PO Box 758 | Waikato Mail Centre | Hamilton 3204 | New Zealand Phone: +64 7 839...
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Re: Samsung to Acquire Nuance?

yeti ·
Equitrac/Safecom/ecopy/ppdm its too small of a component of Nuance. I will bet you they split the document imaging division into a separate company.
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Re: Samsung to Acquire Nuance?

Czech ·
I think buying Nuance would be a great opportunity for Samsung to get deeper in the solutions side of the industry. However, I 100% agree with Yeti that it's too small of a division of Nuance. Knowing that iPhone's Siri uses Nuance technology gives Samsung huge opportunities to work with or against Apple.
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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 15"

Sherri ·
Thank you for your e-mail.I will be out of the office and have limited access to my e-mail from October 21st through October 27th.. I will review your message upon my return. In my absence please feel free to contact Jim Singer ( jim@kopi.ws ) or Cynthia Wankum ( cynthia@kopi.ws ) for immediate assistance during this time. Have a great day! Sherri Wilbers President KOPI 518 Cheyenne Drive Jefferson City, MO 65109 573-893-4545 (ext. 203) www.kopi.ws sherri@kopi.ws
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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 28"

John Saramak ·
Art, I am enjoying your year end pursuit and sharing it with some new reps. Of course they know it all “if this guy has been in the business so long, whyyyyy does he have to work so hard and long” I tell them he has made over 4 million in this business over his career, and sure seems to be having fun with these basic but important principles. It seems to put some spring into their step. Keep up the good work. John Saramak LakeView, NY
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Re: 57 Days of Selling "Day 28"

Art Post ·
John Awesome! I work so hard because I want to make lots of money!
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Re: Six Chat Questions with Rich Gigl with National Azon

TML ·
Art, great piece here. We use National Azon for some hardware but a lot for their specialty wide format stocks. We get one in particular that is an adhesive matte type product that the customer is able to print high quality images on and use for door entryways, deli cases and windows. It allows them to print and when the time comes to clean and/or remove, it can be done without the assistance of a straight razor. We also consult with them from time to time for special projects out production...
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Re: Six Chat Questions with Rich Gigl with National Azon

Art Post ·
Awesome comment TML, please keep us informed about the HUGE HP/Samsung event. I'm tired off reading the spin from others, if you get my drift
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Re: Top Ten Copier & Imaging Industry Predictions for 2018

Martin Hofman ·
11a. For 2018 the total A4/A3 print volume (compared to 2017) will reduce with 10% 11b. For the coming 10 years the total A4/A3 print volume will reduce with 10% per year and will (in 2027) only be 35% of the current volume
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Re: This Week in the Copier Industry 15 Years Ago (Third Week of January 2003)

GAR ·
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Re: This Week in the Copier Industry 15 Years Ago, The Last Week of February 2003

GAR ·
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Re: This Week in the Copier Industry 15 Years Ago, The First Week in April 2008

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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Monte ·
It has been that way for years in my area. If Canon enters the deal all profit is gone.
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Docutrend ·
Usually they sell at dealer cost less all incentives on accounts where they are the incumbent.
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Jason H ·
Had a deal recently that we were the incumbent and CSA came in and placed the exact same machine as we tried. Customer gave us the quote and our true cost was around 14,000 or 15,000 and they sold it to them around $9,000.00. Anytime CSA is in a deal there is a very small chance of winning. The only thing we have going for us is their service is very lousy so after the lost sale we usually pick up a service agreement at some point. Ricoh has been good about enforcing the rules of engagement...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

TML ·
CSA operates under a lawless abandon. Their number one goal is to move boxes even at a loss. While they didn't lose as much this past year, they still didn't turn a profit for CUSA (canon USA) and no one at the top seemed to care. Having met some of the top tier dealers in the northeast, the sore in every single independent dealers side is canon solutions america / canon business solutions. We all know competition is out there, but to have to explain why us as a canon independent dealer is a...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Art Post ·
Originally Posted by TML: CSA operates under a lawless abandon. Their number one goal is to move boxes even at a loss. While they didn't lose as much this past year, they still didn't turn a profit for CUSA (canon USA) and no one at the top seemed to care. Having met some of the top tier dealers in the northeast, the sore in every single independent dealers side is canon solutions america / canon business solutions. We all know competition is out there, but to have to explain why us as a...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Larry Kirsch ·
Some things don't change... Rules of engagement lol multiple lines dare best protection for independents...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

NC_ACC ·
I was employeed by CBS (now CSA). I moved my family back to the east coast after working for 6 years in the Portland OR area for CBS as a production print specialist. Perhaps things have changed since I left CBS 2 years ago to come back to a Canon dealer... I was beaten and battered (related to my cost) when I was at CBS by all 5 local dealers. I now manage a sales team for a Canon dealer. We have never lost to CSA in the 3 years that I've in this position. In fact, I had a promo running for...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

NC_ACC ·
...friends don't let friends lose to CSA
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Christi ·
Art, Yes, Ricoh's ROE is serious business. If you're not seeing that in your territory, you need to contact their MVP, or even Mr. Brodigan himself, immediately. I've seen him take the matters into his hands personally. When you are moving half our gear a year, you hold more cards then you think. How Canon can afford not to is beyond me. I guess that's why we're seeing more Canon dealerships starting to carry our product.
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

mriles ·
If you are referring to Canon Solutions America (former Oce), then yes Canon has been protecting their investment since day 1!
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Jason H ·
Originally Posted by Christi: Art, Yes, Ricoh's ROE is serious business. If you're not seeing that in your territory, you need to contact their MVP, or even Mr. Brodigan himself, immediately. I've seen him take the matters into his hands personally. When you are moving half our gear a year, you hold more cards then you think. How Canon can afford not to is beyond me. I guess that's why we're seeing more Canon dealerships starting to carry our product. I too have seen personally very high...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

txeagle24 ·
We've had issues with Ricoh finding (or try really hard to find) ways around Rules of Engagement. One example I will use is a former customer I had that had all of their local Ricoh MFP placements with me but had a few old units from Xerox locally & several Ricoh units in a different market from RBS. The customer was looking to upgrade a Ricoh machine that I had placed a few years earlier. Ricoh went in and gave them pricing that was 25% lower than I could offer, & when we brought up...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Larry Kirsch ·
Frankly in my experiences the vendor (oem) will try to obtain the business , then negotiate with the dealer if they are unsuccessful going direct. Sounds like the game plan they employ.. Suggest working those things out prior to channel conflict. Long range consequence tends to upset customer who then selects another manufacturer altogether. Best wishes to those who encounter these circumstances... Try settling before not after..
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Old Glory ·
We have been very pleased with Ricoh's commitment to the ROE. We even got full credit for a sale that RBS made after we brought the discretion to Ricoh's attention.
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Czech ·
Where I work its the opposite. Canon and Canon dealers have no rules of engagement. However, dealers are typically 20% less than Canon direct.
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Larry Kirsch ·
Have to remind customer of your long term involvement vs. price. Usually the differentiator...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Rogue ·
Originally Posted by Art Post: Whoa there Art.... I've been with Canon (CSA) for 20 years. We have thousands of well satisfied customers. Not everyone everywhere is going to be happy but, to the chagrin of our competitors, most are. If they aren't, they will leave. You know it and I know it. We have ROE's that are rigidly enforced where I do business, we are not out to buy the business and the competition from Canon's own dealers often force prices to rock bottom margins. You've been at this...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Jason H ·
I call complete bull **** on that. I am dealing with a customer right now whose quote from csa is 20% less than we can buy it for with all programs etc. the directs are blaming the dealers for running the industry into the ground? That's hilarious And I've heard that from Ricoh direct as well. Let's not forget who decided to bring out the A4 machines and drive the hardware revenues down to nothing and then start doing service at cost so the factory could continue to run. Those branches are...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

mnchstr ·
I am dealing with this right now, my DBM is looking into it but I'm skeptical having lost two previous accounts to Ricoh Direct. One was a school district we had seven mfp's in Ricoh had one billable obsolete AF 650 so "technically" we weren't the incumbent. Ricoh has a lot of ways to get around their rules. Ricoh "says" the dealer cost is the same as direct but we see them sell at our cost all the time. Originally Posted by txeagle24: We've had issues with Ricoh finding (or try really hard...
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Re: Canon Business Systems Pulling a Ricoh

Larry Kirsch ·
Need to resort to good old salesmanship. Dealer service and personnel benefits. Best wishes..
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