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I'll admit it's been some time since I was concerned about lease rates.  I 'm aware that many dealers and direct "bump" the rates. I have not asked to see current rates here on the forums for awhile, you know it's coming right, however I had some rates from a leasing company today and the rate factors really took me back.  Back so far that I can never remember seeing rates like these and I guess I asking all of our members if these rates are the norm now or is what I have anomaly.  Here goes.

 

FMV

2,500 -9,999

24 months  .04145

36 months .02872

39 months .0267

48 months .02328

60 months .01931

 

FMV

10,000 - 199,999

24 months  .04143

36 months  .0287

39 months  .02667

48 months .02221

60 months .01817

 

Should I even dare to show the dollar out rates!!  Would like to hear from everyone else.

 

So, I need to continue my rant, as many of your know I'm in a major market area and we have pressure from every direct branch, many small dealers and a few mega dealers.  Making decent GP has been much more difficult since the great recession and even existing accounts are stating "we like the price, the service, the support, however we need to get some additional quotes". It's not all the time however this is a scenario that is playing out more now than it did 5 years ago.

 

I have seen rates not from me that are "bumped" to sales people that are almost $2.00 for every thousand dollars that are leased. Take a $20K lease and that means the direct branch or the dealer is pocketing almost $40 x 60 months which equals almost $2,400 pay day when the deal is booked.  Imagine if the direct branch or the dealer booked 300K per month with this type of "bump", the payday is more than $34K per month.

 

Thoughts....

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US Bank Ricoh Promo rates are lower than these, at least in deals where the equipment being financed are Ricohs. Of course, that is because Ricoh is most likely subsidizing the rates.

 

Most of a lease company's profits do not come from interest but from "alternative forms of revenue" that the lease generates i.e. late fees, forced insurance, evergreen clauses, exaggerated property tax, restocking fees, etc. just to name a few.

Originally Posted by txeagle24:

I would kill for those rates.


I figure it this way, for every 10K of leasing business if your rates are padded to the tune of over .0200 and you are getting the rate of .01817, you're $1,200 in the hole already when competing with someone who is not padding the rates. 

 

You can also think of it this way, lets say your selling production and the cost is $30k and the mu is 15%, that means before you even add GP the dealer or direct is already pocketing $8,100 before you make a $1.00.

 

I realize that MU's and bumps are different and the above scenario may not be the case.  In my opinion there is no place in the industry for "bumped" rates.

 

If direct or dealer principals make the statement "well we need to add this to cover our costs for lease returns, storage, repairs or ineptness to return the system on time", then I would state why do you have a charge for a lease returns per system, lease penalty for early returns. If you need to charge more for the return, or the storage than do so, we're all big boys and big gals and we understand. It's competitive out there and every dollar counts.

 

If I had my way, I would be an advocate for a "truth in lending" law that applied to businesses. There's no place for it.

Hello BLavey - 

 

There are many variables that can affect the rate factor (brand, model, special lease terms, etc), but I can give you a rough idea of what you may be looking at.

 

36 Month, FMV: .02716 - .0284

48 Month, FMV: .0222 - .0228

60 Month, FMV:  .0178 - .0184

 

If you are a Ricoh dealer, I know that US Bank had some special rates that may be go as low as .02666 for 36 months.  I'm not sure if these rates are still active.  

 

Additionally, if you are a Konica dealer, US Bank very recently had some special rate promos on certain machines.  I saw a rate factor .0179 & .01808 for 60 months on this program.

 

If you need any other information - do not hesitate to shot me a message.

 

Sincerely,

Lease Maestro

 

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