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Re: Top Ten MFP Copier Industry Predictions for 2015

Jason H ·
I really like number 4, and I believe #7 is going to happen sooner than we expected. I hold out hope as well.
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Re: Top Ten MFP Copier Industry Predictions for 2015

Kyocera Guy ·
Not liking the Kyocera part of #4 at all. On the other hand really liking # 10 Add: Color equipment will become more prevalent with costs of color equipment continuing to drop and coming more in line with monochrome.
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Re: Top Ten MFP Copier Industry Predictions for 2015

NC_ACC ·
5) - Canon bought a very large stake in one last year (Therefore). Locally hosted or cloud based.
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Re: Is the time right for MFP Manufacturers to only offer...

fisher ·
Not just color. We could see a big consolidation of speed bands too. If certain manufacturers can make low cost 40 and 50ppm engines that retail for under $4,000 do we really need to have 25ppm engines that retail for over $5,000?
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Re: Is the time right for MFP Manufacturers to only offer...

txeagle24 ·
If they offer them for the price of black & white units, yes. If they try to have the same price point as current color systems, they would lose out on price to any manufacturers that continue to make b/w only systems. Additionally, they would have to have a multi-tier billing system for color so as to not scare off people that have intentionally stayed away from color. The industry billing systems (e-Automate, OMD) would need to make that easy to manage & bill as well.
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Re: Is the time right for MFP Manufacturers to only offer...

Art Post ·
Agreed that the cost of color would have to be the same as the current black systems. I for one would like to only offer color, I think it would be better for the industry. I also believe that the color machines don't cost that much more to make the black systems. I'd bet that the margins are the 20-25-30 ppm nlack systems are huge from the manufacturing side.
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Re: Sharp "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly"

Ken Stewart ·
Art, I'm in Japan this week meeting with key clients and have asked this question to several. In typical fashion, no one wants to speculate on what will happen. Is this a good or bad sign? Is Sharp changing a good sign? If it doesn't is this bad, or does it mean it is continuing its commitment to our industry? Since the year 2000, 50% of Fortune 500 companies have fallen from its ranks--no longer considered leaders (by at least that standard). This is most often due leadership...
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Re: Epson launches $8000 colour printer

Art Post ·
I spoke to Epson while at the BTA show on Orlando about this system. The System ships will all of that ink!! I did not even ask what the cost of the replacement cartridges were, I should have. Interesting to see if this system will pan out. Note the "buns" that are on each side of the system. On each side there are two huge bags of ink. Kinda reminds me of Princess Leia hair style!
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Re: Epson launches $8000 colour printer

tkern ·
List cost on K = $649 List cost for CMorY = $412 ea. 75,000 pages yield each
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Re: Epson launches $8000 colour printer

Art Post ·
ty for this. Doing the math, black is .00865 and color is .005493 correct. Or are we adding 649 + 1,236 for a total of 1,885 and the dividing by 75,000 to get the cost per page. In that case the cpc would be .0251. tkern, have you sold any of these yet? Thoughts on the product?
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Re: Epson launches $8000 colour printer

tkern ·
We are not a reseller for Epson at this time. We are merely testing the equipment and have been for some time. All they gave me is the "list price" for each bag of toner which is what I posted. I would assume CPC would be calculated the same way as a toner based machine. Based on my evaluation we would not be a reseller of the current machine and would wait until a page-wide array machine would come out to consider. The 24ppm is not accurate when printing high quality documents.
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Re: Ink Based MFP's In The Market Place

BCarroll ·
Product acceptance may be the key. Have you ever seen a business class ink product that can match the image quality of a toner machine? I know they can in the production space. If they can go head to head with toner in the business class, then you have a possible game changer. My 2 cents...
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Re: Ink Based MFP's In The Market Place

Bill Siderys ·
I think Canon may think a lot of the quality. They listed Photo paper as an acceptable paper type.
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Re: Ink Based MFP's In The Market Place

Art Post ·
Ink is here to stay, however it seems like a slow adoption rate from many of the major manufacturers in the SMB market. Ink based MFP's could be the salvation to many service departments that have aging service technicians.
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Re: Ink Based MFP's In The Market Place

Bill Siderys ·
I think that all may change with the Big Dog (Canon) coming to market with a great machine. Hey, we ain't talking HP Edgeline. The machine will fit in SMB and it looks similar to other machines.
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Ray Stasiezcko ·
Art, one of the problems is dealers servicing a machine for $30.00 a month. however, the reality is the industry has allowed the sales engine to destroy the service model. selling full service on A3 for .006 or less in volumes of 5k a month. Dealers were chasing sales revenue as they sacrificed service profits. As volumes continue declining so will margins. Dealers will begin realizing that all the A3 service they gave away is too costly to manage and the shift will begin. The A4...
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Art Post ·
Hi Ray I agree with the silliness of the low cost per page for A3. However most dealers have escalators that can raise the price as much as 10-15% per year whether it's A4 or A3. AS far as the $30 per month, almost no one will send out and invoice for $30 It's either billed quarterly or annually. One thing the A4 manufacturers won't due is too sacrifice the consumables. I also believe that dealers will always find a way to make their profit, whether it's Daas, flat rate, or seat based. I...
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Greg Moseley ·
Art, another piece of the equation is that monthly units placed are 45% to 74% mono A4 in the segment 3 and segment 4 speed range. Online retail is $170 to $600 where used A3’s are three times that amount. The real question here is what these placements are doing to the service department revenue and eventually to staffing.
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

fisher ·
I've always sold A4 machines where they are a fit. There are very few A4 devices that offer a low CPC. Some carry CPCs that are very high. A bigger issue in many placements is that the Automatic Document Feeders on most A4 machines are not robust enough to meet the copy scan and fax demand. Many are complete garbage. In fact I've seen the quality of the Domument Feeders on A4 units go backwards in the last couple of years as if the document feeder is an afterthought or it is where the...
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Re: "MFP Wars" Hi Speed A3 MFP's vs A4 MFP's

Art Post ·
Amen @fisher doc feeders are inept on most A4's
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Re: Imaging Channel Dealers it’s your decision

Art Post ·
I call it the "War for A4"
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Re: Imaging Channel Dealers it’s your decision

Martin Hofman ·
So true Ray!
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

Art Post ·
For me, it would be roughly 15%, verticals would be healthcare and law. When an A4 does take the place of an A3, do customers have concerns about the higher CPC? When I see that there are zero to a small number of 11x17 pages printed. CPC not that big of a deal, and I don't do bids so I cant comment on that. @Monte @Jason H @Old Glory @jredmon @John
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

gap ·
Thanks Art, yeah, I wouldn't think the CPC change would be that big of a deal understanding the customer is probably saving $ on hardware costs by going with an A4 vs. A3.
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

jredmon ·
From what I seen in the past and what I showed the customer was that many times they could almost double their speed but keeping their price about the same. I sold a ton of Lexmarks and Samsung A4 devices. And yes I would live to see some heavy duty A4s to go into schools, municipalities, and larger companies.
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

Old Glory ·
How would you define "Heavy duty A4's"? There is a reason why Ricoh has both the MP 6055 and the MP 6503. Placing an A4 vs. an MP 6055 can be a big enough stretch depending on desired accessories but it will be awhile before I would ever consider placing an A4 where I feel an MP 6503 is required.
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

fisher ·
I sell a lot of A4 into my medical accounts and small business accounts. It really comes down to page volume and how the machine is to be used. I have yet to see an A4 that is built tough, has a low CPC, has a good document feeder, is user friendly and can handle 20,000 pages per month. Not to mention the lack of stapling and tray shift finishing.
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Re: A4's Replacing A3 MFPs

gap ·
Thanks guys. General consensus seems that there is some customer demand (and revenue opportunities) for stronger, higher-end A4's that MFRs need to address.
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Re: HP launches new A3 color laser MFP

Art Post ·
now this is pretty interesting "HP Custom Color Manager". Curious if this software would also have similar features that come with a fiery also
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"

dimaxusa ·
Fuji might be the modern version of Konica’s Ikon CPP500 & Danka. What’s old could be new again. But don’t worry, according to all the naysayers, the industry has been dead since copy machines were taught how to print, scan and fax. Yes that right, I said copy machines, not MFP,MFD, XDF or whatever kids are calling them these days. You wanna make $200k per year selling gear, come and move to Wisconsin and we’ll so you the path to what could be...
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"

SalesServiceGuy ·
Xerox floats the idea of buying HP on the same day that the Fuji Xerox/ Xerox tussle seems to be resolved. Does that sound like a coincidence? I think Art hit the nail on the head when he said "In addition they would not have to purchase MFP's from Fuji Film in the future." I think this is Xerox's way of letting Fuji Xerox know that they do not hold all of the cards.
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"

Art Post ·
@SalesServiceGuy yeah that did seem kind of odd, however the Miami Herald did report that HP received a proposal from Xerox late yesterday. Ty for the comment
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"

Art Post ·
@dimaxusa I agree what comes around goes around, will be interesting to see how things pan out. I'm having one of my best years in the business, however the last two months have been terrible. But I'm not ready to give it up, many more good years are still ahead of us
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Re: Xerox, HP, Fuji Film, Fuji Xerox "It Just Keeps Getting Curiouser & Curiouser"

SalesServiceGuy ·
HP's head office is in Palo Alto, California. How could the Miami Herald in Florida, not known as a beacon of copier information and clear across the country, have this kind of information? Did someone at Xerox (?) deliberately leak confidential information to publicize a rumor?
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Re: Xerox's MFP "All in Plan" Reveal

billnortham ·
Art, I did the same thing but did not see where they gave me the benchmark amount. Where didnyou see that volume at?
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Re: Xerox's MFP "All in Plan" Reveal

Art Post ·
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Re: Xerox's MFP "All in Plan" Reveal

Scotty ·
I still prefer the selling process face to face the old fashion way
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Re: New A3 Colour MFPs's - A new way to connect to your business

Kyocera Guy ·
It makes coffee? Sweet!
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Martin Hofman ·
Have you noticed the Kyocera 'link'? Take a look at the LCT on the right side of this Epson C20590...... it's the Kyocera PF-770 in Epson color.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Art Post ·
Marin, you are correct. Was also told that the finisher is also Kyo, but they would not be staying with that finisher. Connect with me via email or PM, there may be some opps for you with Epson
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Re: SYNNEX Corporation Selected by HP New A3 Color PageWide MFP's

Jason H ·
We are going into a holding pattern with Samsung right now. No more orders or anything until we see what is going to happen. I will have to check and see if we can order them from our Synnex account.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

printguy ·
Hey Art have you been seeing this machine out in the field yet? How is it performing if you have. Epson just sent me info on adding their product line, I gotta say I'm intrigued, but don't really see any reviews of the product from anyone I know in the industry.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Art Post ·
I haven't seen one in the field yet. There are a few dealers on this site (pretty regular) that took that product on. @Jason H or eddy jones. they might be able to tell you more than I can. I do like the product though!
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Jason H ·
@printguy @Art Post We have not sold a single one yet. Most people seem to have no interest in ink. I like the product. It is a Kyocera finisher. The problem with the finisher is that it slows the machine down to half speed. So ultimately someone is getting a 50ppm system, not a 100ppm if you have the finisher. Space is an issue if you have the finisher. I talk about the product to everyone but most people revert back to a toner system. I don't think this is going to be a game changer as...
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

printguy ·
Thanks for the info @Jason H . That's unfortunate, however I get the aversion to ink. Looking at this product it appeared Epson had perfected it. However I don't think I could sell a copier that has a huge paper curl. I never thought it would have a page curl as there is no fuser.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Jason H ·
I think the part of the problem is even though the ink is dry, it has a moist feeling to it. When it drops off into the trays there is a hump (see pic) that the paper drops out on. I think that is part of the problem with the curl. The prints look good and once I lay the paper out on a desk it flattens out but in my opinion it just does not demo well with regular paper.
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Art Post ·
interesting, I know wonder if Epson demonstrated the device with heavier paper at a few of the events I was at. I didn't see any curl. Not saying that it doesn't, but it wouldn't be the first time peeps did a "controlled" demo
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Re: Who's Afraid of the Epson WorkForce C20590 100ppm MFP?

Jason H ·
Ill try to do a video once the machine gets back to my office. It is on a truck back from one of our branch offices now. I just don't think it demo's well in front of the customer.
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Re: Epson 100 ppm Ink MFP

Art Post ·
I went back the next day to see a demonstration on this unit. I asked to see a demonstration of mixed sized originals. I was told, "sorry we are only doing controlled demonstrations and can't show that", I then asked does the device have that feature? The rep answered yes. WTF, controlled demo's? Thus, I'm thinking they are hiding something.
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