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Bad Copier Sales People Still Exist, Don't They? Part1

It's been a week of dealing with some BAD apples (salespeople) out their. Just about two weeks ago, I had an appointment with an existing client in my territory to replace an older MP1600.  We have something like six Ricoh's in five of the companies six locations in the state. All older models, all bought and paid for many years ago, and at least three of them under maintenance agreement and the rest on time and materials.

 

I scheduled an appointment to present "new" technology to the DM's team, and was instructed to get a list of wants and needs for a new black or color device.  After a forty-five minutes or so, we had a clear idea of what model, what features and what third party capture solution we were going to use.  At the end of the meeting I went back to the DM's office, we spoke a bit and he asked me to present the proposal, which was for the color 35ppm A3 device with all of the extra's that I outlined.  I was also told that they were going to purchase, and the system was to replace the Ricoh MP1600 in the corporate office (the office I was in).

 

Thus, I presented my pricing to the DM, we exchanged a couple of emails, the DM asked how much for a black A3 35ppm.  Now, I was holding GP in the color device because it was an existing account, the service has been great, and the DM and I had met three times in the last three months so he could get his head wrapped around all of the print devices that they have (at least 38 additional printers).

 

A few days later, I get an email that states, "your price was VERY, VERY, high I ordered from someone else".  WTF!  You what?  Ok, I thought, I've gracious at losing, I did not call him to lower my price, I wasn't going to stoop to that.  But, I did ask, what system did you order?  My DM stated Ricoh! Again, I was WHAT! In the State of New Jersey, there are not many Ricoh dealers anymore, and the one dealer I know of would never go where I was. 

 

After sending one email each of the three people I met with (DM, the IT Manager, and the Purchasing Agent who is a newbie) asking where they bought the Ricoh from, and all three emails going unanswered kinda told me something was amiss. 

 

I called my Ricoh manager, explained what happened (had a feeling Ricoh Direct did this), he stated he would look in to it.  Low and behold about two weeks later, I had a call from my Ricoh manager that Ricoh Direct did sell my client the Ricoh device. However, I was told that they took the order because it was for another location where we did not have a unit.  I stated that was BS, it was clearly stated this system was for the corp office, thus the need for the capture solution.  In fact, I have an email from the DM stating that the machine they bought had all the specs that I submitted to them weeks prior.

 

It all started to make sense, the unanswered phone calls, the unanswered emails, Ricoh Direct  stating the device was going to another location. It was all coached prior to the sale that the customer would get a much lower price, but don't tell the other rep anything.  Really, WTF ever happened to Ricoh Rules of Engagement?  You stay out of my accounts and I stay out of your accounts, right?

 

To the other sales rep, did you really need that deal that bad?  Aren't you ashamed because you have to give equipment away to make a sale?  Where is your character that you have to snake orders from others?

 

After much thought, I believe the new Purchasing Manager wanted to make a name for himself and reached out to Ricoh Direct people. You see the statement of "we took the order for the other office" let the cat out of the bag, because they knew in advance they were in a dealer account.

 

I've lost deals before and will lose deals in the future, but I feel good that I gave my client a fair price for excellent service and support.  I also know that somewhere down the road that I'll have the feeling of satisfaction when "the thought of the cheap price is long forgotten after poor service".

 

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LOL, I'm told the opposite here in NJ! TY, for this
 
Originally Posted by Jason H:
Art, I wanted to add that all of our Ricoh staff tell us the dealer going after RBS accounts is perfectly fine with no recourse. Only RBS gets in trouble for this. I'll use the term trouble loosely since we know they will weasel around it somehow.

Rules of engagement have two extremes.  I worked for a direct and the worst thing I could do was to dabble in a dealer account.  One warning was it.  On the dealer side I had one manufacturer direct who basically laughed at any level of honoring a dealer account.  Not only compete but slander and persist and it falls on deaf ears if you bring it to light.

 

Your scenario here is a career mind bender for many of us.  How can someone let 20-30 dollars a month squash a relationship??  I would be hard pressed to have a PA that reported to me boast of likely investing (waisting) a bunch of their time to bring in a lower cost without or lacking value adds??  Old time pocket protector PA theory!

 

What happens when this guys rolls this out and there is problems, and finds out he is a house account vs working with a guy like you that remembers the Xerox 914. 

 

I guess if we suspect this could happen we need to set some traps for the directs before they get in. 

Good point, but what I should have stated is that, Ricoh Direct can't quote a system when it's a Ricoh Dealer Account and a Ricoh Dealer can't quote with a Ricoh Direct Account.  Thus, there's ZERO collusion there.  Of course as we know, open accounts is still a free for all.  TY for the response!!!!!

Just a thought about this , being a Ricoh dealer and reading this , it insinuates collusion between direct and dealers. " You stay out of my deals and I stay out of yours" . If I was a buyer it would deter me from buying Ricoh .

Dayna Karron
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Phone: (212) 507 - 9434

"Quality is remembered long after the price is forgotten" - Gucci slogan
That's low down sh*t selling and I think you are correct in saying the new purchasing manager wanted to make a name for themselves. I had one recently where canon direct got involved and I received a small spreadsheet with formulas showing they would save 2% over the course of a 3 year lease by going with canon direct. 2% over 3 years! Nothing has happened yet but I feel sure they will go direct as we are at our bottom and the purchasing manager doesn't care about any of the value his local people care about and have fought him about.

They can't sell any value because they are pretty much order takers now. That's all they can beat us on is price and we all know ho me that goes.
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